The Future of ACH and FSE

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The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Jesco Freund » Tue May 30, 2017 11:21

Dear fellow pilots,

With Anders stepping out, I'm the only active pilot remaining in the group. To be transparent about the status of the group itself:
  • 95 flights performed since foundation of the group (back in Nov 2016), thereof 44 by Anders, 49 by me and two by others
  • Our bank & cash balance sum up to $55,000 (for comparison: purchasing a Cessna 172 costs around $130,000)
  • The group has 6 members (including Anders and me)
  • The group does not own any aircrafts or FBO assets.
  • Trend: Our peak month was Jan 17 with 52 flights performed. Feb saw 10 flights, Mar 6 and April 17. In May we saw 2 flights so far.
With those figures and trends in mind, I see need to heavily question whether to carry on with FSE, or give up our engagement there. Not having seen a single response (at least no public one) from anyone to Anders' question about succeeding him as group leader, I give this question back to you as a community:

Is FSE still relevant for Air-Child, or should we dump it?

Since I can't create a survey in this board, please take a second and reply. Next weekend I will evaluate the answers, and a decision will be taken.

Blue skies,
Jesco
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Barthe Hogenboom » Wed May 31, 2017 1:13

The first question that sprang to my mind: what's the downside of just keeping the group? Does it get deleted after some time? Does FSE delete a group that doesn't produce the news Anders was talking about? Sorry, I studied a bit on the FSE Wiki and I'm still interested in it but I move slowly and I skipped the group management part. (So many things to do, you know 8-) )

Do they only need a name for the group leader or is there more to it? If I understand it correctly, Christopher wants to keep our VA alive on the most common networks.

(I was intending to answer Anders but still thinking about a good answer).
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Anders Kvamme Stemland » Sun Jun 04, 2017 20:37

Well. The group can remain there but it's not so attractive to fly in a inactive group.
But group is not being deleted so in case we decide to close it I can have the group name there for future if we want to keep it there then.
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Anders Kvamme Stemland » Sun Jun 04, 2017 21:52

I see it's activity in the group.

Will await and see (maybe i do some flights myself as well) bonus will be paid to the activest pilots ;-)
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Erwin Horn » Sat May 18, 2019 7:48

Hi2all,

i wanted to register at FSE for the Air-Child group, but the join button was missing.
So, my question is, if FSE is still alive for Air-Child?

Greetings, Erv
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Jesco Freund » Mon May 20, 2019 18:42

Hi Erv,

I'm still active on FSE, but I deactivated the join button, as the group has been inactive for a while. The group neither has a fleet, nor does it have any FBOs or rented gates. I just kept the group to not lose the name, in case we decide to re-launch it.

My quick analysis why integrating FSE and ACH has failed twice already:
  • FSE only works as long as one person takes the lead of the group. If that person stops flying for ACH or otherwise loses interest, there's no way for ACH staff to recover the group account. It's lost, including all assets earned by the group.
  • FSE is about charter flights with small and medium sized aircraft - the biggest airframe I ever owned was a Saab 340, and this turned out to be more work than fun. The sweet spot on FSE is met by turboprop aircraft seating around 10-20 pax (King Air, PC-12, Grand Caravan and the like). Most people here on ACH chose to fly tube liners. Even if we could own aircraft like a CRJ 700, BAE 146, ATR 72 or Dash 8 Q400 on FSE and fly ACH missions on both, FSE and ACH ACARS, we would need at least 15-20 active pilots to be able to pay for these birds.
  • Some type of operation closer to what ACH does are impossible to run for a group (all-in flights - your only access to tube liners in FSE), or at least hard and difficult to run for a group (VIP assignments).
And the last point may be hard to digest for some, but to me it's a fact that FSE and ACH are incompatible when it comes to pilots' mindset. My experience from the past: ACH pilots want to be left alone, don't like interaction on forums and just fly. In fact, look at the number of active pilots in the roster, and look at the number of posts here on the forum. I guess the ratio for most pilots is 100% on flight side, 0% on forum post side. FSE is the opposite: it's a very animated community, and many members over there have more forum posts than flights registered. Hanging out at the forums (and various discord group servers) is what fuels the FSE experience, something probably the average ACH pilot is not actively seeking.
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Erwin Horn » Tue May 21, 2019 9:27

Copied all. Thx for your reply.
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Barthe Hogenboom » Tue May 21, 2019 12:57

My experience from the past: ACH pilots want to be left alone, don't like interaction on forums and just fly.
Indeed. And it has become more so the last few months. Not necessarily bad, we offer people a way to be part of a virtual airline without all the hassle and social pressure.

The problem with FSE is like you describe; their simulation is a bit to close to reality. People expect something like Air Hauler or FsPassengers but it's really almost a job.

I'm enjoying ETS2 quite a bit at this moment and they really designed it's economy around the limited amount of spare time people have. Routes are shortened, a lot of costs are left out etc.

PS. still painting from time to time, I've not forgotten ACH.
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:48

Well, I’m very happy to be back.

My X-Plane 11 configuration is almost complete. Anyway, it’s good enough to fly for ACH and at FSE.
At the moment I am only using the DHC-6 300 (Twin Otter from X-Hangar), because that’s the one I could buy at FSE.

In short time I am ready to make simultaneous flights for ACH (X-Acars) and FSE (X-Plane client), eventually online with IVAO, VATSIM or X-FlightServer. Actually I don’t like to fly online (IVAO or VATSIM)…, too many rules for a simple game… I mean, it’s a flight simulation, a game, not a virtual life… X-FlightServer is more in my line, specially when we fly together with friends.

At the moment I can make flights registering simultaneously for ACH and FSE. I do not use big birds, only the DCH-6 300. I mean “charter flights”, like the most people at ACH…

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I miss our old beautiful ACH-liveries, for DHC-6 300 (X-Hangar), Cessna 337 Skymaster (Carenado), Baron B58 (Laminar or Carenado), Cessna 172SP (Laminar or Carenado), Cirrus SF-50 (Laminar) and the ATR72-500 (Aerosoft).
Anyway, any artist with time to try them? I’ll try to investigate the new structure of the liveries under X-Plane 11…

Finally, I see no activity in the Air Child groups at FSE (Air Child and Air Child VA). I am the “owner” of the group “Air Child”. I am thinking about to delete it (no FBO’s, no aircrafts, no flights). Please, tell me what you think about it. Anyway, I fly alone in both (ACH and FSE).
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Jesco Freund » Tue Jul 16, 2019 19:25

Hi Remen,

Funnily enough, Kaida asked about ACH a couple of days ago - have a look over here: https://www.fseconomy.net/forum/general ... hild-group
I don't know how she was involved in ACH, as that was before my time probably.

In case you want to revive the old group, let me know - I still have some funds parked from that one attempt, which I would gladly pass on to you. I will however not engage in an ACH group on FSE (just to clarify that point upfront 8-) ). I'm involved in a group (Crooked Charters, the successor of Sweet Shells), or I fly low and slow, all alone :?
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Tue Jul 16, 2019 20:49

Let’s wait some days, waiting for reactions…
I think it’s posible to revive the group “Air Child” at FSE, but only if some ACH-members want to participate.
Anyone? Just let it know here. And share your ideas with us.

Remen
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Tue Jul 23, 2019 22:56


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Well, I'm almost ready with a new ACH-livery for my DHC-6 300 (Twin Otter). Actually, to be used at FSE...
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Wed Jul 24, 2019 17:01

This ACH-livery is ready, for the DHC-6 300 (Twin Otter) from X-Hangar (https://www.x-hangar.com/store/general- ... otter.html).

Two fotos:

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A little video: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y07Le ... KzocJX0mM0

The livery for X-Plane 11: https://drive.google.com/open?id=18_2ue ... rX58sHqC18

No idea how to share this. Anyway, like everything I make, it's free.

Enjoy it!
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:29

Just a question...
Who's flying with FSE? It looks like I am the only one...
ACH-FSE pilots, please, share your FSE-information: location FBO's, aircrafts, prefered area, etc.
Thanks
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Re: The Future of ACH and FSE

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Post by Ricardo Rementería Troncoso » Thu Sep 05, 2019 16:04

It's quiet here... Today something different... I report a nice experience I had today with a virtual flight... It's a PDF-file

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1apqmT ... xdw-b33Myw

Saludos,
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